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		<title>By: Revisiting Veganism &#171; Eco Lesbo Vego</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-870</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Revisiting Veganism &#171; Eco Lesbo Vego]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] it reminded me of when I first read Shirley&#8217;s story, so I thought I&#8217;d revisit the post I wrote at the time. What do you think? Was I on the right [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it reminded me of when I first read Shirley&#8217;s story, so I thought I&#8217;d revisit the post I wrote at the time. What do you think? Was I on the right [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Elv</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-809</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aussie Elv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 08:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No worries Carly - I&#039;m glad my post was helpful! It was mostly me in a big windy rambling explanation of my thought process at the time, but I guess quite a few people think about the same kinds of things.

I was vegetarian for 6 years before I went vegan. Now I&#039;ve been vegan for almost a year! I haven&#039;t eaten any cheese in that time. At first I was accommodating to my mum while she was figuring out what I could and couldn&#039;t eat (I got a few things with eggs or cream in them), but I put my foot down at cheese... mostly because I felt that if I even had a tiny bit, I wouldn&#039;t be able to stop myself from having more.

It was hard to kick the cheese habit - harder than anything else, even chocolate, and I loooooove chocolate (my ASL sign name is even based on the sign for chocolate!). For about three months I just craved it. A lot. But after that the cravings seemed to dissipate and now I can make a pizza for my son, or top my partner&#039;s enchiladas with cheese or go out for Indian or Italian and not want to eat any cheese. 

It did take a while to get to that point though, so you should prepare yourself for that. It&#039;s hard at first but it does get better, and I feel really good about it and proud of myself. I hope you will too!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries Carly &#8211; I&#8217;m glad my post was helpful! It was mostly me in a big windy rambling explanation of my thought process at the time, but I guess quite a few people think about the same kinds of things.</p>
<p>I was vegetarian for 6 years before I went vegan. Now I&#8217;ve been vegan for almost a year! I haven&#8217;t eaten any cheese in that time. At first I was accommodating to my mum while she was figuring out what I could and couldn&#8217;t eat (I got a few things with eggs or cream in them), but I put my foot down at cheese&#8230; mostly because I felt that if I even had a tiny bit, I wouldn&#8217;t be able to stop myself from having more.</p>
<p>It was hard to kick the cheese habit &#8211; harder than anything else, even chocolate, and I loooooove chocolate (my ASL sign name is even based on the sign for chocolate!). For about three months I just craved it. A lot. But after that the cravings seemed to dissipate and now I can make a pizza for my son, or top my partner&#8217;s enchiladas with cheese or go out for Indian or Italian and not want to eat any cheese. </p>
<p>It did take a while to get to that point though, so you should prepare yourself for that. It&#8217;s hard at first but it does get better, and I feel really good about it and proud of myself. I hope you will too!</p>
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		<title>By: Carly</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been a very strict vegetarian for 15 years, but I always have said that I could never give up cheese. I think this posting and the link to Edgar&#039;s Mission just gave me the impetus to finally do it. Thank you for the inspiration.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been a very strict vegetarian for 15 years, but I always have said that I could never give up cheese. I think this posting and the link to Edgar&#8217;s Mission just gave me the impetus to finally do it. Thank you for the inspiration.</p>
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		<title>By: Christmas Ham: Just Say No &#171; Eco Lesbo Vego</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-755</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christmas Ham: Just Say No &#171; Eco Lesbo Vego]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Dec 2010 04:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] that many of the horror stories came from the US and didn&#8217;t apply in Australia. I know from previous research that even the friendliest dairy farms still routinely impregnate cows and remove the babies from [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that many of the horror stories came from the US and didn&#8217;t apply in Australia. I know from previous research that even the friendliest dairy farms still routinely impregnate cows and remove the babies from [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Elv</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aussie Elv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 10:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t wait til I can get some chooks... sometimes I trek through the jungle at the back of my yard and look over the fence at my neighbour&#039;s chickens. They looks so cute!

I haven&#039;t read up extensively on why chickens lay unfertilised eggs, so I can&#039;t give you much advice on the ethics of eating them. Apparently the chooks will eat the eggs if you don&#039;t collect them, so that suggests that they do lay even if you don&#039;t remove the eggs... but I&#039;m not sure.

I think that when the time comes that I have my own chooks, we will probably eat their eggs. I say &lt;I&gt;we&lt;/I&gt;, but I really mean Yankee Elv and Mr Teeny-bop, because I don&#039;t like eggs (I ate waaaaaaay too many as a kid, so I&#039;m kind of put off by them now). I figure they eat eggs anyway, so if they&#039;re going to eat them, it&#039;s better that they come from our own chooks. Also, they don&#039;t eat many eggs (maybe half a dozen per month, between them) so it&#039;s not like we&#039;ll be collecting many eggs anyway. I figured we&#039;d leave the rest and the chooks could eat them.

I guess I haven&#039;t looked into this further because the issue isn&#039;t a pressing one for me, but I&#039;d be interested to know if you find out anything more about whether the chickens would stop laying if we stopped removing their eggs. If I had my own chooks, it&#039;s possible I may get requests for fresh eggs from family members. Again, I think it&#039;s better to get them from my chooks than random battery hens... but still - is it healthy?

So I guess ultimately... thanks for raising the point, and I hope you&#039;ll share if you learn more. I sure will! :)

I&#039;m glad you liked the stories from Edgar&#039;s Mission.. I love their site. Some new pics just got posted on their Facebook page, you should check them out!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t wait til I can get some chooks&#8230; sometimes I trek through the jungle at the back of my yard and look over the fence at my neighbour&#8217;s chickens. They looks so cute!</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t read up extensively on why chickens lay unfertilised eggs, so I can&#8217;t give you much advice on the ethics of eating them. Apparently the chooks will eat the eggs if you don&#8217;t collect them, so that suggests that they do lay even if you don&#8217;t remove the eggs&#8230; but I&#8217;m not sure.</p>
<p>I think that when the time comes that I have my own chooks, we will probably eat their eggs. I say <i>we</i>, but I really mean Yankee Elv and Mr Teeny-bop, because I don&#8217;t like eggs (I ate waaaaaaay too many as a kid, so I&#8217;m kind of put off by them now). I figure they eat eggs anyway, so if they&#8217;re going to eat them, it&#8217;s better that they come from our own chooks. Also, they don&#8217;t eat many eggs (maybe half a dozen per month, between them) so it&#8217;s not like we&#8217;ll be collecting many eggs anyway. I figured we&#8217;d leave the rest and the chooks could eat them.</p>
<p>I guess I haven&#8217;t looked into this further because the issue isn&#8217;t a pressing one for me, but I&#8217;d be interested to know if you find out anything more about whether the chickens would stop laying if we stopped removing their eggs. If I had my own chooks, it&#8217;s possible I may get requests for fresh eggs from family members. Again, I think it&#8217;s better to get them from my chooks than random battery hens&#8230; but still &#8211; is it healthy?</p>
<p>So I guess ultimately&#8230; thanks for raising the point, and I hope you&#8217;ll share if you learn more. I sure will! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you liked the stories from Edgar&#8217;s Mission.. I love their site. Some new pics just got posted on their Facebook page, you should check them out!</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-692</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brooke]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve been having this argument (re compassion foods) with myself. I adopted some bantam chickens that free-range around my huge backyard (as well as hopping over in my neighbours who thankfully absolutely ADORE them!) and soon they&#039;ll be laying eggs. I think they have a happy, healthy life and my son loves them, I can just imagine the excitement on his face when he sees their first eggs! But I&#039;m feeling ethically challenged on the subject!! For starters, it&#039;s pretty disgusting that we eat chicken periods (sorry to be crass but as a new vegan I have to call them that to keep from craving them.) And apparently chickens keep laying because we keep stealing their eggs! Isn&#039;t that awful :( I cried my eyes out reading the stories from Edgar&#039;s mission, thank you so much for posting the links, it has reaffirmed my decision to be vegan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been having this argument (re compassion foods) with myself. I adopted some bantam chickens that free-range around my huge backyard (as well as hopping over in my neighbours who thankfully absolutely ADORE them!) and soon they&#8217;ll be laying eggs. I think they have a happy, healthy life and my son loves them, I can just imagine the excitement on his face when he sees their first eggs! But I&#8217;m feeling ethically challenged on the subject!! For starters, it&#8217;s pretty disgusting that we eat chicken periods (sorry to be crass but as a new vegan I have to call them that to keep from craving them.) And apparently chickens keep laying because we keep stealing their eggs! Isn&#8217;t that awful <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' />  I cried my eyes out reading the stories from Edgar&#8217;s mission, thank you so much for posting the links, it has reaffirmed my decision to be vegan.</p>
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		<title>By: The Milo Replacement Debate &#171; Eco Lesbo Vego</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Milo Replacement Debate &#171; Eco Lesbo Vego]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 13:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] 19, 2010   I know I keep harping on about this vegan thing, but it&#8217;s something I&#8217;m conscious of lately, it&#8217;s often at the forefront of my [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 19, 2010   I know I keep harping on about this vegan thing, but it&#8217;s something I&#8217;m conscious of lately, it&#8217;s often at the forefront of my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wassup? &#171; Eco Lesbo Vego</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-579</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wassup? &#171; Eco Lesbo Vego]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 14:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] been trying hard to be a good vegan, and I think I&#8217;m mostly succeeding, but I haven&#8217;t always been able to keep a cheery [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] been trying hard to be a good vegan, and I think I&#8217;m mostly succeeding, but I haven&#8217;t always been able to keep a cheery [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Elv</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-541</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aussie Elv]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2010 11:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm… the first could be a challenge – telling our community lead won’t do much, we’d have to talk to the caterers and I have no idea who they are.

The second I sort of do… I ask the waiter, then ask the next one and the next one… lol. I guess they must have a head of waitstaff, they never seem to, but there must be someone!

The third… yeah. That was pretty much what I was thinking. Cos I figure if I felt a bit neglected as a vegetarian, cutting out cheese is basically going to triple that.

That being said, I did have some fantastic roasted vege sandwiches with caramelised onion (vegan) at the last event, which were an incredible surprise. I think the vego population is growing, so they’re getting better at catering for us. I organised a small work event last week and 50% of the attendees were vego. I was rather pleased!

Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm… the first could be a challenge – telling our community lead won’t do much, we’d have to talk to the caterers and I have no idea who they are.</p>
<p>The second I sort of do… I ask the waiter, then ask the next one and the next one… lol. I guess they must have a head of waitstaff, they never seem to, but there must be someone!</p>
<p>The third… yeah. That was pretty much what I was thinking. Cos I figure if I felt a bit neglected as a vegetarian, cutting out cheese is basically going to triple that.</p>
<p>That being said, I did have some fantastic roasted vege sandwiches with caramelised onion (vegan) at the last event, which were an incredible surprise. I think the vego population is growing, so they’re getting better at catering for us. I organised a small work event last week and 50% of the attendees were vego. I was rather pleased!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Elisa Camahort Page</title>
		<link>http://eco-lesbo-vego.com/2010/02/10/compassionate-dairy/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Elisa Camahort Page]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catered functions are hard. My *best* experiences have been when I call the venue before even showing up and let them know I&#039;ll be there. (This on top of letting the event organizer know too)

But I often forget or run out of time to do that.

So my second piece of advice is always ask. Ask your waiter, and if they look at you blankly, as if you can talk to the head of waitstaff.

Generally speaking venues actually do want you to be taken care of :)

My third piece of advice, sadly, is to eat a bit before to make sure you don&#039;t starve :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catered functions are hard. My *best* experiences have been when I call the venue before even showing up and let them know I&#8217;ll be there. (This on top of letting the event organizer know too)</p>
<p>But I often forget or run out of time to do that.</p>
<p>So my second piece of advice is always ask. Ask your waiter, and if they look at you blankly, as if you can talk to the head of waitstaff.</p>
<p>Generally speaking venues actually do want you to be taken care of <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My third piece of advice, sadly, is to eat a bit before to make sure you don&#8217;t starve <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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